The Blaker Society DNA Project


Q1. What is this DNA test all about?
A. There are two types of DNA tests now available for genealogical testing: the Y-chromosome (Y-DNA) test and the mitochondrial (mtDNA) test. A direct female line can be traced by testing mitochondrial DNA. However, since we are presently interested in tracing surnames, which are usually passed from father to son, the testing of the Y-chromosome DNA is what we are interested in. For more information on DNA and Y-chromosome testing see DNA 101.

 Q2. Will a DNA test tell me who my ancestors are? What will the test tell me?
No, a DNA test will NOT tell you who your ancestors are. The test WILL tell if two or more participants share a common ancestor, and give you a probability of the number of generations to the The Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA).

 Q3. Why do we analyze the Y chromosome?
The Y chromosome is the only chromosome passed unchanged from father to son, and therefore indicates the paternal line of descent. All males in a patriarchal line have the same Y chromosome. The Y chromosome is not present in females. For more information on DNA and Y-chromosome testing see DNA 101.

 Q4. What is analyzed?
We look at specific parts of the Y chromosome to obtain a “signature”. Two or more males whose Y chromosome signatures match come from the same paternal line of descent. Those whose signatures do not match are from different lines. For more information on DNA and Y-chromosome testing see DNA 101.

 Q5. Exactly what does a Y chromosome match demonstrate?
A Y chromosome match shows that two males have a common male ancestor. This ancestor could be their father, or it could be a male from a thousand years ago. For more information on DNA and Y-chromosome testing see DNA 101.

 Q6. Does a Y chromosome match prove this relationship?
Although no evidence is ever absolutely certain, the confidence level for such a match is very high. Typically, there is less than one chance in a million or more that the demonstrated relationship is in error. For more information on DNA and Y-chromosome testing see DNA 101.

 Q7. What is the advantage of the 25 marker test over the 12 marker test?
More markers reduce the number of generations to the The Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA). If you match someone on 12 out of 12 markers you almost certainly share a common ancestor. The question becomes "how far back do you have to go before you find that common ancestor?"

If all 12 markers match there is a 50% probability that TMRCA is 14 generations or less, a 90% probability that TMRCA is 48 generations or less, and a 95% probability that TRMCA is 62 generations or less. For 12 identical markers, 95% of the possible TRMCA values fall between 1 and 77 generations.

If all 25 markers match there is a 50% probability that TMRCA is 7 generations or less, a 90% probability that TMRCA is 20 generations or less, and a 95% probability that TRMCA is 30 generations or less. For 25 identical markers, 95% of the possible TRMCA values fall between 1 and 44 generations.

 Q8. Do Y chromosome analyses sometimes match, but not at every point?
. Yes. Over a period of many years, a small number of mutations can be counted on to appear, so there may be one or more points where the Y chromosome analysis does not match exactly. For more information on DNA and Y-chromosome testing see DNA 101.

 Q9. If no Y chromosome match is found, what does that show?
It demonstrates to a very high degree of probability that the two males analyzed do not share a male ancestor. Although this is true for the two individuals tested, it may not be true for the family groups of the individuals who were tested, because there are a number of sources of “non-paternal events”.

 Q10. My maiden name is BLAKER and I would love to have this information, but I am female and have no brothers and my father has passed on now. There are no living males with surname BLAKER in my family, only male cousins named BLAKER, some quite distantly related.
Your male cousins probably have the same Y-DNA as your father and his male ancestors with surname BLAKER. Testing your cousins is the same as testing your late father if they are the natural children of your BLAKER ancestors. That is because the Y chromosome passes unchanged from father to son apart from random mutations. So if your father and your cousins have any known common ancestor, even back to your 4th great grandfather or beyond, the DNA sample should be the same as testing your father, give or take a mutation or two.

 Q11. My line split off from the BLAKER family two hundred years ago. My ggg-grandmother was a BLAKER. I do research on my BLAKER ancestors but have no close BLAKER relatives.
If you know or can find male surname descendents of your gggg grandfather BLAKER, you can in effect “test” him by testing his descendents. That is because the Y-DNA is passed on without change from father to son. If you test a couple of your BLAKER cousins and they match, you can say with high confidence that their Y-DNA is very close to the Y-DNA of your gggg grandfather. Then you can compare his sample to other samples in the study and possibly learn much new information about his line for your research.

 Q12. Why are you excluding women? We are the children of our BLAKER ancestors as much as the men.
. We cannot test females for the Y chromosome because they do not have one, only males. The technology does not exist to trace BLAKER surname ancestors through their female descendents, at least not yet. The reason requires going into a bit too much explanation of basic genetics, but essentially we get a blend of genes from our fathers and mothers for everything except the Y chromosome, which passes mostly unchanged from father to son. Most other genes combine, thus making every individual unique with a unique genetic signature. But that does not mean that daughters are not just as related to their fathers as sons. In fact everyone has genes from all their ancestors, half from each parent, a quarter from each grandparent, an eighth from each great grandparent and so forth back forever. Every gene in our DNA existed in some ancestor 10,000 years ago apart from a few mutations possibly. By using Y-DNA analysis women can learn much valuable information about their BLAKER ancestors, the same as male descendents. There are tests of mtDNA that trace female lineages, but they are not useful for single surname studies.

 Q13. There is only one living male person surname BLAKER in my family. Is there any point joining the study if I don’t have two or three family members who are BLAKER surname males?
Yes, there is potential value for you to join the study. The reason for testing two or three distantly related cousins is that this “validates” the family at least back to the known common ancestor. A single test could provide incorrect data for the family if there is an unknown adoption or a false paternity somewhere back in the past. If you alone take the test and it matches others in the study, you will have learned that your branch of the BLAKER family is related to theirs, with little doubt. If it does not match and you cannot find any cousin to test to validate the result, at least your sample will sit there in the database until sometime in the future a match is secured.

 Q14. I was adopted by BLAKERs as a child. Is there any benefit to do a DNA test?
That depends on whether you are trying to trace your "biological" family or your BLAKER family. If you're trying to trace your "biological" family you would have your own DNA sample tested. If you already know the surname of your "biological" family, it would probably be best to try to find a DNA project for that name since your results would more likely match someone in that group than the BLAKER group.

If you're interested in tracing your BLAKER family roots you would need a DNA sample from your BLAKER father or other male BLAKER family member.

 Q15. My male BLAKER cousins don’t care a thing about family history. They won’t pay for this.
There is no rule that says the person ordering and paying for the test must be the person being tested. If your cousins will consent to doing this simple, painless test, you can order the kits on line and then send them to your cousins, and return them with your own payment. Some of the other family reconstruction projects have multiple researchers in the same family line that have split the cost of testing male cousins who have no interest in our hobby.

 Q16. I already know my BLAKER family comes from somewhere in Ireland. What are we going to learn from doing this that is new?
First of all, you may discover many BLAKER families that are your cousins that you did not know about before. They may have new information and family histories that will be useful to you, and you will know they are your relatives with little or no doubt. A couple of families named BLAKER side by side in the census could be brothers, or could be coincidence. But DNA is proof. Second, as the study expands over time, you may discover the exact village where your ancestors came from in Ireland, possibly even Church records that take you back hundreds of years.

You may also discover that you share the same markers with BLAKERs who come from Scotland. There are people who believe that the BLAKERs who came from Ireland originated in Sussex but for many who have gotten back to Ireland they are not able to make a Sussex connection. DNA testing might make this connection.

 Q17. All it takes is one break a long time ago and you won’t be able to match up a whole line of BLAKERs. You will never be able to put all the BLAKERs together.
That is very likely true, but the purpose of this is to help different BLAKER families link up to further their genealogical research. Even if long ago a Mr. BLAKER adopted a boy whose natural father was Mr. JOHNSON, all his male descendents will still be with a common ancestor, which may prove useful. Also, if someday a JOHNSON has a test done, we may find that match as well!

 Q18. How is the DNA sample obtained?
. DNA can be obtained from any cell, but one of the easiest samples is obtained by swabbing the inside of the cheek with a sterile cotton swab.

 Q19. How do I participate in the BLAKER DNA Project?
Please contact any member of The Blaker Society Committee (Details here[link])

The DNA Project Coordinator will assign each participant a unique Participant ID# and send the participant a DNA sample kit. The participant will take his own DNA and return it to the Project Coordinator along with a check payable to the Testing Lab.

Results will be returned to the Project Coordinator who will forward them on to the participant.

 Q20. How will my DNA information be used?
This poses a declicate balance between making the information available to others while protecting the privacy of the participants. DNA test results are of little use on there own. Their value is how they compare to other test results and who they match. Most other surname DNA projects display test results on a website as shown below:

The numbers (1-12) across the   of the table are the marker numbers. They have no significance other than as an easy way to refer to the marker. Note: FamilyTree DNA refers to these numbers as Locus. The second set of numbers across the   of the matrix are DYS# (the actual marker names).

The numbers down the left side of the table identify the participant in the DNA project. The numbers down the right side of the table identify the participant's oldest known ancestor.

The rest of the numbers are the Allele (the number repeats) for each participant at the specified marker.

Note that there is nothing to identify participants other than the participant number.

 Q21. How will my DNA information be protected?
Only the participant providing a DNA sample and the Project Coordinator will know what his results are (unless they decide they would like to share that information - see next question). All samples and identifying information will be received by the and will be assigned an identifying number. This ID number will be the only identifying information anyone else sees, so no one other than the coordinator will know who participates in the study or which result is from which person. The portion of the DNA tested gives a distinctive "signature" for a lineage rather than for an individual, so there is no risk of this data being of any use to anyone for personal identity.

 Q22. I noticed my DNA markers match those of several other participants. Is there anyway I can contact them?
If the participant chooses not to identify himself, you can contact the Family Coordinator who will forward your request on to the participant.

 Q23. Couldn’t it be embarrassing if an individual’s Y chromosome does not match when it should?
Yes, and for this reason no participant's results will ever be revealed except by a code. Names of participants will not be published or released unless the participant give his WRITTEN permission to do so.

 Q24. My test results do not match any others, does that mean I'm not a BLAKER?
There is always a possibility that you could get disappointing test results. Samples that vary by three or more markers from the main group may do so for a number of reasons. One possibility is that they represent distinct lines either older or younger than the currently observed most frequent line. Another is that there has been a “non-paternal event” at an unknown past time. There are several possible types of non-paternal event in addition to a pregnancy gained outside of a marriage. For example, a child may be adopted and given the BLAKER name; a man may take the BLAKER name when he marries a BLAKER daughter; a BLAKER man may marry a pregnant woman whose husband has died; a couple where the wife is the BLAKER may choose to give their children the BLAKER name for various reasons; clerical error in recording administrative data may assign a BLAKER name to the wrong person, and so on.

It should be stressed that adoptions were quite common in every age (ie. parents died by disease or war and a relative took in the children and raised them with their name; or young daughters had a child out of wedlock and the parents raised it as their own).

Some may not want to see a result indicating a non paternity event but we are all legal BLAKERs and a small sample size could be misleading. One may get a DNA sequence which suggests a non paternity event but they could be of the original blood BLAKER line. Let me explain. Twenty people are tested and 19 are very similar but the last is clearly different. It could turn out that the 19 descend from the same person 300 years ago and this person was an adopted BLAKER while the other is of the original blood line going back 800 years.